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World-Class Team, Circular Health-Canada Data, Leaders Who Never Read Primary Literature

Day 4 · 3:15:00 · Dr. Gary Davidson · Glen Motz · Myriam Bohémier · Dean Allison · Nicole Sedore

  • 🌍 Team included Jay Bhattacharya (now NIH director), Byron Bridle, Kevin Bardosh and other top researchers.
  • 🔄 Biggest lesson: Health Canada dictated dashboards, harvested data and fed slides back—Alberta did little independent analysis.
  • 😔 Of 109 decision-makers sought, only eight spoke; none had read the primary papers behind the edicts they issued.

Caliber of reviewers and shocking gaps in evidence use.

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Transcript

Dr. Gary Davidson · 3:15:00

Yeah, that's right. So we, you know, interviewed as best we could and researched all the data to see if what they did worked. Could it be done better? Was there something that wasn't done well? And what do we need to do to make sure it works better next time? Because that always can be done.

Glen Motz · 3:15:15

And, um, I'm just going to ask— I'm just going to read some of the people involved, and I'm really sticking my— limiting myself because I, with a project like this, and I also know that there'll be a ton of people that aren't listed in the report that contributed heavily, and I'm just limiting myself to medical doctors and researchers. But this is just the biography list in the report itself. You're listed, Dr. Gary Davidson, MB. Dr. Blaine Atchison, MD. Dr. David Vickers, PhD. Dr. Justin Chin, MD. Dr. David Speaker, PhD, DTM. Dr. Byron Bridle, PhD. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, MD, PhD, and he's currently the director of the U.S. National Institutes of Health. A very high-ranking position within the U.S. government.

Glen Motz · 3:16:16

Dr. Kevin Bardosh, PhD. Just so these are just the medical doctors and, and researchers with PhDs that I listed, just limited to that. But the point I'm trying to make, Dr. Davidson, is, is we're really talking about a high caliber, the world-class people and experts that have come together to assist you in putting this together. And I imagine you were highly impressed with the team.

Dr. Gary Davidson · 3:16:46

Yeah, I mean, you know, that I said to everybody on the team, I wanted to surround myself with people way smarter than me because if I'm the smartest person in the room, we're in a lot of trouble. And so I think we did that as you just read the list of people, you know, yeah, people had a lot of experience and a lot of training in the area. And I wanted to make sure that, that everybody could bring something that was, you know, world-level investigation.

Myriam Bohémier · 3:17:13

And that's what we have.

Dean Allison · 3:17:15

And I just—.

Myriam Bohémier · 3:17:15

David, can I just pull up the slide of just the title page? So I just want— because Dr. Davidson, it's a story in itself that a provincial government has, you know, had a task task force evaluate what a province did and come up with some recommendations on how, you know, to do things better or what to look into, right, um, that the rest of the country isn't aware that there was a government task force. And, and so we're very pleased that you're here because any inquiry into vaccine injury should include things that governments have already done so that we're aware of them. And I will let everyone know that that this is the full report as an exhibit at this inquiry. And so eventually we'll have a, you know, a webpage for you and of your testimony and this marked as an exhibit so that anyone can access it. But if you have the title, you can find this online. It is an official government report that is on the Alberta government website.

Myriam Bohémier · 3:18:19

It's not a secret. It's just for whatever reason, the mainstream media didn't report on it, so Canadians don't know. Can you kind of share your thoughts about what do you think were the major lessons learned and what's— what, what I guess do you wish you could have done differently? Because I know you had some informational challenges and maybe perhaps what the biggest surprise was. Because we're always surprised when we're doing a project.

Dr. Gary Davidson · 3:18:55

I'm not— yeah, I'm not sure if we had any big surprises. The biggest thing we learned, I think, probably was data flow. Like, so where was the information coming from? Because, you know, I was reading stuff in 2020, late 2019, that, that was all there, just like we heard earlier, that anybody could have found this information. The gentleman from CBC, you know, the reporter was sharing it and he's like, yeah, we knew that. And it— yeah, why, why it got pushed down, it's— I don't— that's above my pay grade. But it is the data flow. When we talked to the people involved in Alberta, what they said was that Health Canada told them how to set up their dashboard. Dashboard, then Health Canada would take harvest data from their dashboard, make a presentation, and give it back to them, told them, you take this to the, your people, and this is the information you share with them.

Dr. Gary Davidson · 3:20:00

So it was just a circular thing that really wasn't being done in Alberta. And that was, I found that quite interesting. Um, we asked to interview 109 people. Everywhere from the top to the bottom. We want to know who was making the decisions because that's— everybody said somebody else was. That's what we ran into. And so in the end, we interviewed a couple of MLAs that had vaccine injuries, a couple of people in the department that were asked to speak with us because they had a job in the government.

Nicole Sedore · 3:20:34

And so—.

Dr. Gary Davidson · 3:20:34

And they did, and they were very helpful. Then we interviewed in the end, 8 people total out of the 109 that we wanted to interview that were decision makers in the health system in Alberta. And we always started the same way. Share with me how it went. You know, how did you feel it went? What would you know? What did you do well? What could you have done different? What was your thoughts? And they shared stuff. And then we all— it was a data review. So I just said, so So, you know, I had all of the things that they had done in their job, all the edicts that they had put out. And I said, so in this one here in particular, can you share with me the primary literature you read to back up that decision? And these are all doctors, some with PhDs and other things like that. So well-educated and all in positions of leadership. And they said, oh, No, I didn't. I said, what do you mean you didn't?

Dr. Gary Davidson · 3:21:35

Like, you can see that there is a mandate that came down from up top and it was given, you know, and so when you implemented it, did you read the information? And they said, we didn't have time. And some of them even said, we didn't know how to read that stuff. And it wasn't shocking, but it was just sad. Because people trusted that they were actually reading the information. And when they told you to do it, they thought that they had read it because they're a doctor, could understand it and were sharing it as the best information they had. But in the end, it was just they were given something, they just handed it to somebody else to do and just make this happen. And it wasn't shocking. It was just sad to actually hear because I watched it happen.

Myriam Bohémier · 3:22:21

I knew it was happening like that.

Dr. Gary Davidson · 3:22:23

And that was the part that most people don't realize happened, that these people that were telling, that were implementing these edicts didn't know why, didn't read, none of them read any of the primary research behind it.