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Q&A: What Would Justice Look Like for Sean?

Day 4 · 0:36:46 · Glen Motz · Dan Hartman · Dean Allison

  • 🗣️ Hartman says the only thing he has ever wanted is an admission that the shot killed Sean—not money.
  • ⏳ Five years on he still cries daily; a judicial finding of guilt would be justice for the family.
  • 📋 He names Health Canada, Pfizer, mainstream media’s “safe and effective” chorus, and everyone involved on a long blame list.

Motz asks what justice means; Hartman answers truth and a guilty verdict over damages.

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Transcript

Glen Motz · 0:36:46

I asked the witness this yesterday, and I ask you the same question. You talk about the injustice that was done, and you feel responsible to carry on the fight because, uh, because Sean can't. What would justice look like for you and your family, for Sean?

Dan Hartman · 0:37:06

The one and only thing I've ever asked for in the beginning is truth. I've, I've only asked for the truth. I've been fighting for Sean much longer than I've had the lawsuits or a lawyer. I only wanted them to admit that Sean was one of the people who died from his shot. And they won't do it. They won't admit it. They've admitted to other deaths but not Sean. I guess it's because I'm vocal about it, but they just won't admit it. So no amount of money is going to make me feel better if I win this lawsuit. I'm— it's 5 years later and I'm still crying every day. There's no healing from this. So I don't care about the money. I don't care if they give me one penny, as long as I get to hear the judge say guilty. That's justice for me and my family, that they are guilty of giving Sean something that kills him.

Glen Motz · 0:37:58

So when you say they, um, there's a broad they.

Speaker J · 0:38:03

Oh yeah.

Glen Motz · 0:38:03

And a specific.

Speaker G · 0:38:05

Yeah.

Glen Motz · 0:38:05

So in your perspective, who are they?

Dan Hartman · 0:38:09

Health Canada, Pfizer, who made the product, mainstream media who kept saying safe and effective every day and telling you to take it to protect your grandma, and everyone involved in Sean's death.

Dean Allison · 0:38:21

But it—.

Dan Hartman · 0:38:22

There's so many to blame. Like, my blame list is huge. But I want the judge to just say guilty. Yes, the shot killed Sean Hartman. When they don't admit it, it makes them look even more guilty, in my opinion. Like, just come out and say it. We're sorry, Mr. Hartman, but the shot killed your son. That's simple. I even put a post on social media offering to drop my lawsuits. Offering if they will just admit it to me?

Speaker G · 0:38:49

Nothing.

Dan Hartman · 0:38:50

They won't, they won't say it. They won't say the words, I guess, because if they admit to Sean, it's going to open doors for other people, right? And that's what I want to do. I want to open doors for other people.

Glen Motz · 0:39:01

Good for you. Do you, um, have you ever, uh— obviously there's, there's distrust now with the medical profession in some regards.