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Q&A: Did Fear of Reprisal Silence You About the Injury?

Day 3 · 2:47:21 · Dean Allison · Patricia Leidl

  • 🎤 She knew National Citizens Inquiry testimony would end future hiring yet felt duty-bound against gaslighting.
  • 💪 Personal humiliation while seeking care fueled “cussedness” to keep speaking despite eye-rolls and lost friends.
  • 👥 She sees herself as one of a large cohort mislabeled with long COVID or aging who stay quiet from fear.

MP Motz explores self-censorship versus moral duty.

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Transcript

Dean Allison · 2:47:21

Thank you for your testimony today, uh, Miss, uh, Lytle. You kind of alluded to it a little bit. I'm just want to dig a little deeper. Um, early on, did you ever find it necessary to refrain from discussing the injuries you were experiencing and the symptoms you had for fear of repercussions, whether it be your employment. Uh, you talked about you losing some friends. Uh, was that, was that something that you experienced?

Patricia Leidl · 2:47:52

It's something I thought about, um, because I realized I testified at the National Citizens Inquiry and I realized that I probably would never get hired again. For anything, but I felt that it was very important to tell the truth, that there was too much gaslighting going on, that I myself experienced personal humiliation and considerable degradation while I sought care. And I just, I think it was just pure cussedness. I was not going to let this happen to me, and I felt it was a responsibility to to speak out, even if it meant losing friends or, you know, having to deal with, you know, the inevitable eye roll, you know, switch the topic of conversation. It just became to me very, you know, the more that happened, the more determined I was to, to speak out. And I understand that my injuries are not as severe as some of those that have testified at this inquiry, but I also believe that I represent a large cohort of the population who've been told that they've got long COVID or that their maladies are associated with aging or some other issue.

Patricia Leidl · 2:49:07

And I think there are many, many of us.

Dean Allison · 2:49:13

This is Cory Turrose-Roald. I, I do thank you for that because you did mention, uh, doctors mentioning a lot of other, uh, ladies coming up with similar symptoms.

Patricia Leidl · 2:49:22

Yes.

Dean Allison · 2:49:22

And challenges. But not everyone's willing to talk about it. So I guess the challenge is that, you know, people don't want to talk about it because they're afraid of the reaction that people are getting. You know, you're extremely articulate and knowledgeable, and yet somehow when we start talking about vaccine injuries, it's like none of us that are talking, they won't have a brain anymore, right? We're not allowed to talk about this stuff. And I— it blows me away, someone as articulate and someone as— I got great CV like you, involved at the WHO, that you would have anyone that would challenge what you have to say.

Patricia Leidl · 2:49:57

Well, thank you, that's very kind of you, but there's been a mass abrogation of critical thinking, and to say the least. And I find it fascinating that I am somebody who worked for four decades in human rights, specifically women's rights. People that I had known for decades suddenly lumped me or defined me as some sort of right-wing wingnut because I have a vaccine injury and I'm vocal about it. And I think it just speaks to the sort of dystopian kind of environment that we've moved into, that people are so willing, you know, that it takes so little to divide us. You know, entire families were divided, communities were divided, people just allowed fear to determine reality. And I'm just very grateful for this opportunity to speak here. And even though I must say the last 5 years have been extremely isolating, and, you know, my faith in human nature was somewhat shaky to begin with, it's kind of destroyed now.

Patricia Leidl · 2:51:04

But I am meeting some of the best people I've ever met throughout these last 5 years. So there has been a silver lining.

Dean Allison · 2:51:14

Thank you. We appreciate you sharing this. Mr. Dalton is the last, uh, interviewer.