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Q&A: Can the Shots Show Negative Efficacy Against COVID?

Day 1 · 1:38:18 · Dean Allison · Ron Johnson · Chris Lewis

  • 📈 Allison cites Cleveland Clinic and emerging Ontario data that more doses correlated with higher infection risk.
  • 🛡️ Johnson points to rising IgG4 antibodies after repeated boosters as a plausible immune-tolerance mechanism.
  • 🦠 He treats negative efficacy as a real phenomenon best explained later by experts such as Jessica Rose.

Discussion of infection risk rising with additional doses.

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Transcript

Dean Allison · 1:38:18

Can I just stop you and keep you on that point for a minute? Because there was a— there were some chuckles here, but there's actually a lot of research. I think the first being the Cleveland Clinic showing that with each shot you're more likely to catch COVID And I know many people watching that— we're going to be calling an expert later in these proceedings proceedings using Ontario data for the first time showing that, you know, after about 6 months into the pandemic— our vaccination program— you are more likely to get COVID if you are vaccinated than not. And I think for a lot of people that is a new idea and shocking. Um, for people that believe our, our concerns are long COVID, thank goodness we took the vaccine, or we had the vaccine to reduce long COVID. It might be a shock to be, no, the vaccines caused COVID. The leading, likely the leading side effect of the COVID-19 vaccine was COVID. It's like negative efficacy when they say, well, safe and effective. Well, effective at what?

Dean Allison · 1:39:18

Effective at getting COVID? So can you spend a bit of time on that? Because I'm, I can assure you that it's a brand new idea to many people viewing.

Ron Johnson · 1:39:26

Well, again, definitely quiz people like Dr. Jessica Rose here about, you know, with every booster shot, I think it's after the third or fourth booster booster, the antibodies that it produced, IgG4, are the same antibodies that like an allergist tries to boost up with you because it suppresses your immune system to the allergen so you don't get all inflammation, that type of thing. So I think again, they actually understand the mechanism because they're testing type of antibodies with each successive booster. So that would be one plausible mechanism. Again, I'm not a doctor, not a medical researcher. That's my, my, my layman's now.

Chris Lewis · 1:40:03

That.

Ron Johnson · 1:40:04

Um, there's another point I was trying to make within that too. Repeat, repeat your question on the—.

Dean Allison · 1:40:11

Well, I'm just hoping you can really parse out that, um, a side effect of the vaccine is COVID itself, that really we're dealing with negative efficacy.

Ron Johnson · 1:40:20

So the point I wanted to make, and this is kind of another one of those things like, well, if you're so sure the vaccines are effective, why do you care what somebody else is vaccinated I've never— I was never an anti-vaxxer, okay? I got them all, okay? I didn't get this because it's not a vaccine, and I talked to Michael Yeadon. But what has always astonished me was the arrogance of people like Fauci, like Peter Hotez, like Paul Offit, like, oh God, I'm trying to think of the godfather of them all, Stanley Plotkin, okay? I mean, what is a vaccine or what is this gene therapy? What does it impact to the body? What does it target? The immune system, right? What kind of arrogance would lead you to believe, yeah, but what we're producing here, all these vaccines, you know, this injection will only have a positive impact on the immune system.

Ron Johnson · 1:41:23

System. Won't do anything negative. It's only going to enhance your immune system. How do they know that? You know, I, I've stated a number of times in, in some of my public events, the very tail end is I am truly amazed at how much knowledge mankind has accumulated over the millennia, how rapidly our knowledge is increasing But that being said, no matter how much we know, I would argue that what we don't know vastly exceeds what we do. And when you come into any situation, I think you need to bring that level of humility and modesty into diagnosing the problem. But no, again, I've heard the medical explanations, probably didn't do a very good job. You'll have other experts, McCulloch, Jessica Rose, do a good job. But, but no, I think that's, that's a definite real phenomenon.

Ron Johnson · 1:42:24

I'm fully aware of it, and I've heard a plausible mechanism of why getting more and more boosters actually starts reducing and reducing your immune system and increases the likelihood. I think Fauci got, uh, COVID a couple times, by the way. He also had a pulmonary infarct, which was one of the side effects that Peter Marks and senior FDA officials were warned about in March of 2021. Pulmonary infarction, sudden cardiac death. They're warned about that. June of 2021, in his diary, he admits that, you know, definitely he had a pulmonary infarct and told no one.